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January 23, 2008

Creatio ex nihilo

Filed under: Creation — vistronic @ 9:48 pm

Creatio ex nihilo, meaning creation out of nothing.
Creatio ex materia, which is creation out of eternally preexistent matter.
Creatio ex deo, which is creation out of the being of God.

In examining the scriptures with a 21st century viewpoint “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” the question is put forth, from what was creation?

The traditional view being God created the universe “Creatio ex nihilo” or out of nothing.
Current progressive creationists have interpolated “the big bang” at this moment to consider with the creation moment. A common presentation put forth by creationists in support of creation (myself included) is the second law of thermodynamics. Therefore if we are to adopt the second law the first law should be applicable as well.  The law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.

Here we see the paradox then. If we adapt these laws as a guide, the creation moment becomes “energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another” Creatio ex materia. Therefore it appears reasonable that to use the 2nd law, the 1st law should be used likewise.

 A review of the “laws” maybe helpful at this point.

“”Zeroth law of thermodynamics, stating that thermodynamic equilibrium is an equivalence relation. If two thermodynamic systems are separately in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

First law of thermodynamics, about the conservation of energy
The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to the system and the work done on the system.

Second law of thermodynamics, about entropy
The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.

Third law of thermodynamics, about absolute zero temperature
As a system asymptotically approaches absolute zero of temperature all processes virtually cease and the entropy of the system asymptotically approaches a minimum value; also stated as: “the entropy of all systems and of all states of a system is zero at absolute zero” or equivalently “it is impossible to reach the absolute zero of temperature by any finite number of processes”. “” * (source wiki)

First off let me state that these laws apply to closed thermodynamic systems, is Creation a closed thermodynamic system? Well thats open for debate. But we shall extrapolate these laws into our current example.

This is important for several reasons. “Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
The universe began to exist.  Therefore, the universe must have a cause. philosophy that states before there was anything, there was nothing, and if there was nothing, then it must have been possible for nothing to be. If it is possible for nothing to be, then it must be possible for everything to be. Something cannot arise from nothing; this is a contradiction. Therefore there must always have been something. But it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. What is more, matter is contingent, that is it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. So there must have been a Creator who is not contingent and not composed of matter: this Being is God.”*

It appears that 3 options now become viable to consider from a creationist viewpoint.

1. Creatio ex nihilo, The traditional view but if we adopt this we should drop or modify the “second law” arguments IMHO.

2. Creatio ex materia, The transformation of matter or energy to a different form. I currently lean this way as I view God as “timeless”. I also speculate that there existed pre-existing forms, the thoughts or words of God that were expressed at the creation moment creating our universe.

3. Creatio ex deo, which is creation out of the being of God. This also has scriptural support and is worth contemplating.

So my friends is it Door number one, two or three!


some material edited from,
* (source wiki)


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